When Everything Inside You Says "Stop"... Do This | Sabine Kvenberg

What if the biggest thing holding you back isn't fear... but ignoring the quiet voice inside that already knows your next step?

In this inspiring episode of The Pauline Chilton Show, I sit down with internationally recognized keynote speaker, communication coach, and bestselling author Sabine Kvenberg to celebrate the release of her powerful new memoir, GUMPTION: Sacred Whispers, Bold Moves, and the Courage to Become. 

Together, we explore:

·       How to move forward even when fear tells you to stop

·       Why everyone has a story worth sharing

·       Finding purpose through life's hardest seasons

·       The power of storytelling to change lives

·       How courage grows one decision at a time

·       Why success happens long before anyone sees it

One of my favorite moments from this conversation is when Sabine shares:

"Master the moments no one sees to lead the moments everyone remembers." 

Whether you're starting a business, writing a book, rebuilding after loss, searching for purpose, or simply wondering what your next chapter looks like, this conversation will leave you encouraged to trust yourself, embrace courage, and take the next step.

Grab Sabine's new book:
GUMPTION: Sacred Whispers, Bold Moves, and the Courage to Become

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 Visit Sabine Kvenberg at Impact Communication Coaching.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome back to the Pauline Chilton Show where we have meaningful conversations that inspire healthier living, purposeful leadership, and intentional growth. Today's guest is someone I've had the pleasure of getting to know before inviting her onto the show, and I can honestly say she's just as inspiring off the stage as she is on it. Sabina Kvinberg is an internationally recognized keynote speaker, communication coach, best-selling author, and storyteller who has dedicated her life to helping people discover their voice, communicate with confidence, and make a lasting impact. From her early career as an actress and director in Germany to founding a performing arts school and later building impact communication coaching, Sabina has spent decades helping leaders, entrepreneurs, and change makers step into their purpose with courage and authenticity. Today we're celebrating the release of her brand new memoir, Gumption: Sacred Whispers, Bold Moves, and the Courage to Become. A deeply personal story about resilience, faith, listening to your inner voice, and finding the courage to become who you were created to be. Sabina, welcome to the show. I'm so happy you're here. Thank you, Pauline, for having me.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

It's a pleasure.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Oh, great. Your new book, Gumption, which is a powerful word in itself. What does gumption mean to you personally? And why did you know this was the story you were meant to tell?

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Means moving forward in life with uh verve, with energy, with the boldness that we all have inside, and to move forward even when we are afraid, and not despite of the fact that we are, but because of it, and moving forward, anyways, if especially when everything inside you screams, stop. That for me is gum chan. And how I got to writing this book is quite interesting because that was not on my radar. As you mentioned in the wonderful kind uh introduction, I am a speaker, I'm a podcaster as well. And during pot during the Podfest Expo 2025, so a year and a half ago, I was interviewed by several people, and one of them asked me several questions, and one of the questions was, What do you contribute your success to? And in that moment, gumption came out because that is that word that has so many meanings, that that grit, and just moving forward and just saying yes to life and to opportunities. And that was it. There was no book, it was just something that I felt. And just a couple hours later, I was interviewed again. After that interview was done, the woman who asked me the questions, who interviewed me, came up afterwards and said, Sabina, you need to write a book. And I said, I chuckled because I said, I already wrote three books, right? There was no book that I had in the planning. But she said she was very persistent. And she said, No, no, no, you don't understand. You need to write your biography, your memoir. There's so much wisdom, so many golden nuggets you just shared with me that needs to go out into the world. And that, to tell you the truth, set me a little bit back. And I said to her, I will think about it. And then I walked into the expo hall where there were vendors, and one vendor table was set up. Uh Morgan James Publishing, a New York publisher, and there was a sign on the table that said, Pitch your book and we'll give you feedback. Well, the problem was I didn't have a book. But there was just something that was put into motion, and as the subtitle of my book said, Sacred Whispers Bold Moves, I said to myself, hmm, it's a sign, it's a whisper. Well, I signed up. Why not getting feedback? If this is even good or an idea. So the next morning I had a 15-minute conversation. And I was just my authentic self telling the director of publishing who did this interview with me what had happened the day before. And I said, I have no idea if it's any good, but here are two stories. And then I shared two of my stories that were very impactful in my life. And then there was a pause. And I thought, was it bad? And then she said, Sabina, you know you're a good storyteller. But at one point in your story, I had to hold back my tears. You need to write that book. And I thought, wow, okay, let me think about it. And that's that was really the catalyst or the the development of that day or the two days that ended up them offering me a book deal. And a day later I said, Okay. And I said yes. And we didn't talk about title or anything like that, but when I had to fill out the intake form, they ask about the title and says, No matter, just a working title is okay. We can figure it out later. So I put in dump chin. That working title became the title because that's what the book is all about. Here you have it.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

That is so exciting. So, how did you feel when you were offered that book deal in just those in those, you know, that short amount of time, and you weren't even planning on doing that?

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Yes. It was scary, to tell you the truth. And when, to be very honest, when I got offered this book deal, I also knew there was quite some commitment on my end. Time commitment, financial commitment. Because I always say uh if you're not a celebrity, more or less you are the one who's carrying the book and everything behind it. Because the book industry has changed so much over the few last few years. But for me, it was more a question: do they offer book deals to everybody? Right? That that that uh pessimism that is sometimes uh underlined there, and some of the good caution, because you know, we all have probably um felt at one time or another, hmm, somebody's took took advantage of me. So nowadays I went right on AI and did some research, said, so is this all rich it? I've not heard about this. Well, I did heard about this publisher before, because another good friend published a book through Morgan James, and they ended up to being uh wonderful. But I at that point I did the research, but then I learned that they get about 5,000 pitches a year, and they take 150. Wow, yeah, that's about three percent, and so I thought, well, I guess I have to write the book, and here we are uh a year and a half later.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

That's great, and I love the phrase sacred whispers. Were there times in your life where you had those sacred whispers? And how did you learn to trust them?

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Well, I had those sacred whispers my entire life. Of course, in my early years, I didn't realize that that's what it was. Later on, of course, I I did. But it first started out, and this is the story that is the first chapter. And that's how I started out. A experience that I had when I was just nine years old. And that experience was uh it was very impactful, but in the well, not just in a negative way, later on in a positive way, because I told the story and used it as my learning uh experience. But I was in a park, I was playing, the playground was closed, and I still had half an hour before going home. And when you're nine years old, you go home when the parents said you go home, right? It was a summer evening in Hamburg, Germany. I was just lovely, and I was sitting on the bench and watching the squirrels and just minding my business, and then a nice gentleman sat next to me and we got into a conversation, and he seemed very nice. But then he said something that was very disturbing. He said, Do you see that man in the back there? That is a child snatcher. Wow. And I thought, oh, yeah, that's that's very bad. And then and then the uh um owner man said, Well, you know what? Let's just get away. I said, That was a good idea. And we went and we walked, and and the park had a little hill where we slept down in the winter time. So there was a walkway uh around them in the back, and then in the back, so you had to go steep up, or you went all the way around. But then he suggested, let's take a shortcut, let's go up there through the underbrush. There was no path or anything like that. I said, you know, let's take the shortcut, right? You're always adventurous. I'm always an adventurous person, anyways. And we did. And at one point, somewhere in the middle, he stopped and he made this motion. Come here, little girl. And in that moment, there was not a whisper, but there were definitely a guardian angels that were there at that time in my life that said, Run, Sabina, run, and that's exactly what I did. And that was a very traumatic experience for me, and I did not tell a soul about it, and that was even more dramatic, traumatic, not dramatic, dramatic probably too. Sorry, my German accent here, because I felt it was all my fault. Because of course your parents say, hey, don't go with strangers, but I didn't feel that this was a stranger, and that is just the the worst that can happen to a child or an innocent person because you don't think about that, but then you realize no, that that was bad, and that I carried with me for a long time, but that led me to turn to God for the first time because we were not churchgoers, my family, you know, I wasn't you know raised like that. I learned a little bit in school about the Bible. We had Bible study in school back in those days, and that was it. But intuitively, I knew there was there was a higher power. And I started creating my first prayer that night, and that kept me connected to something higher that I felt safe in, and that's what I from that point on, I was very open to those sacred whispers, and sometimes those whispers can be very loud.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

That is such a great story, and I I had so many thoughts as you were telling that story, but I had the thought about how easy it is for someone to take advantage of someone when you kind of have your guard down when you don't consider that person a stranger, and that's probably why a lot of things happen to people when it's done by someone they already know.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Yes, and then it does challenge your sense of safety, yes, and again that that guilt comes in there, so uh and I think that is an important part also for parents to understand that so many things happened. I've heard in the meantime many stories when because I have a podcast too, and a lot of people sharing their story, and some of those stories were about childhood where the friendly neighbor was then the abusive person, someone you thought was a you know friendly one, but it turned out to be the foe. And yeah, so for parents, be aware, and especially when a child comes back and acts differently. Sometimes you may think, oh, there's just something, why is she or he acting this way, right? There might be something more serious behind it.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

So that's so true. I'm a mom, and and even from my own personal experiences, I just know that that what you're saying is so very true. So absolutely. And you mentioned your podcast. Can you talk more about the name of your podcast and what it's about and what it's about?

SPEAKER_01 16:07

Sure. My podcast called Become Empowered. And you can find it on all the platforms. I started this podcast four years ago because I wanted to share stories from individuals from all walks of life sharing their story of overcoming adversity, overcoming hardship, and what they've learned in the process, and how that experience turned them into their next greater self. Because we have to become the person we are meant to be to live the life we are destined to live, and every experience that we have in life will help us on that journey, and that is what I also share in my book, Gumpchen. It is a memoir, so I share a lot of stories throughout my early years, through my career, the spiritual parts. So I have like four parts in it, and with each of those stories, I have an invitation for the readers to perhaps find themselves in the story, even if it has nothing to do with them per se. But a story is always attached to an experience. Even someone has a different story, but it matches the experience and what we can learn from it. And where I am at the stage of my life after several businesses, and what I do now working with individuals and helping them, and through my podcast, through my books, I wanted to leave this planet with doing what I was supposed to do here, and I figured it out throughout the lifetime, and I'm still figuring it out as we move forward because it's always changing. It's a journey.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

What has each season in your life taught you about becoming rather than simply achieving?

SPEAKER_01 18:24

Ah, what an excellent question. At the beginning of my life and career, it was about achieving. There are things and ways that you know, that's the only thing you know, until you create your own experiences. So, of course, it is like be successful, however it looks like. My first success was changing careers, doing what I love, doing what using my talents, becoming an actress, singer, dancer, and that was exciting. And then those ambitions were to play the big roles, and I share some of this in my book as well, including how I got one of the major roles uh in musical theater. And that was that part. Then as we moved along, and I moved from Germany to America, where I started my business, a performing art school, then I realized, oh, I'm teaching more than just acting, dance, and music. I'm teaching life lessons. I am making a difference in people's lives. Kids, teenagers, adults. And that was the more fulfilling part. Of course it was fulfilling to see a show. We produce two shows a year. And it's just wonderful because that's the creative part that's within me to putting on a show, creating the script and so forth. But seeing students blossom, and especially if someone who came in very shy, never wanted to speak a word, all of a sudden starts standing up, speaking, being confident, right? So that is when I learned confidence is super important for everything in life. And that was that part. And then there came another part, that spiritual part. And through each life season, I also became wiser, and the people you surround yourself with are playing a big part of it. And I had the fortune to marry my best friend, and that in and of itself, he is that deep spiritual person. We we what's the word that I'm looking for? Complement each other very well. I give him my spark, and he gives me his calmness. And through that experience, in and of itself, I Grew so much as a human being. And then the spiritual journey that came along, where I discovered that there was so much more within each one of us, and of course, in within me that I need to quote unquote use in a better way to make a difference. So there was a little bit of a longer answer, but because it really has those seasons in which we grow and in which we become our next greater self. And that is the point. We always becoming, and we always become our next greater self with each experience, with each person we meet, with every uh adventure we take until we leave this planet.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

That's amazing. It's such a beautiful thing to find that right partner, the person, like you said, who compliments you and balances you. You know, a lot of things in life have a way of throwing unexpected challenges our way. Was there ever a moment in your journey where you had to choose courage over comfort? And how did that shape who you are today?

SPEAKER_01 23:27

I would say there were more than just one instance. There were several where I had to choose courage over comfort. And when starting out being an actress, a performer, you have to step out your comfort zone if you play a role that is challenging. Or if you're auditioning, right? But I guess one of the biggest parts were stepping into the unknown. When I auditioned for the first time for an acting school, I had you no idea, but I was so passionate about and so excited about it that I just went for it. The next one was where I had to make a decision where to live with my husband because he is American. We met during the European tour of Fiddler on the Roof. The dancers came from New York, and the lead roles, the performers came from Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. So he lived in Germany for a while, and we were directors, you know, flying to different vacation spots, putting on shows. But there was always the question: where do we settle down? Right? And of course, living in a country that you know that you're comfortable with, and you have the family and friends there. The thought of moving to America was somewhat frightening and somewhat, I oh, I don't know. But then again, life is happening for you. And it it was a very sad time in my life. I just came back from producing a show in Austria, and I was visiting my mom. And I still remember that day. I went up the stairs and where she lived in the apartment, and so her smile greeted me, and I had sauerkraut and and and meat and knudel. It was a traditional meal, it was kind of the leftover from Sunday, it was a Monday, and we chatted. And my mum was the the biggest supporter. She saw every every play. She doesn't matter if I was in Austria, she even uh traveled to Turkey where I was producing a show. So and the next day, it was like six o'clock in the morning, doorbell rang. So who can that be? My dad stood in front of the door, and that was weird because he never comes alone, let alone this early in the morning. But on her face, or on his face, I could see that something must have happened. And then he gave me the devastating message that my mother has passed away that night. And I was like, I was like, I I couldn't say anything, but I knew I had to be strong. So I had a younger sister and an older sister. So immediately my leadership role or the leader that was within me took over. The director, the leader, the strong person that I always played in life. And I wanted to make sure that my baby sister was taken care of, who just gave birth to her first child. And uh it was just so devastating. And there were a couple other things that happened at the same time, but long story short, that very moment or that very situation where I felt so out of bound. And after everything was done, the funeral was done, and I had to go through some health challenges where I that I faced alone, I felt so on a crossroad. Okay, what am I doing now? I lost someone who was so close to my heart and that hurt, and I just wanted to run away, you know. In retrospect, that's what it was for me. And it was something like, you know, now I'm ready to move to America because I just don't want to look at this. And at the same time, it was it was scary because it's a new language, even though I I spoke English, not very well, but I spoke English. But building a business there, have no family, no friends, my husband's family was there. That was one thing. So I I know it was a long answer to your question, but I wanted to make sure to bring across sometimes things happen for you, and it doesn't change the uncomfort, but you have to have that courage to say yes to something and then make a decision and say yes and stick with that. But that was the biggest one for me.

SPEAKER_00 29:20

Like your long stories, it's good. I thank you, because you really the way you share the story and you explain it, it really paints the picture and put things into perspective and it gives us some context and some some texture is the word that I'm thinking of. Yes. Um, to what you're what you're sharing. So uh definitely don't apologize for being long.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

No, well, that's that's that's why they call me the storytelling dame from Germany.

SPEAKER_00 29:57

Yeah, you know, so many people have incredible stories, and a lot of times they're afraid to share them.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Yes, and that is what I do today, and I'm so passionate about. I help people find their voice. We all have voices, and by that I mean in real life, find your voice. Some are very, very quiet, but more the way you share your story, and especially entrepreneurs in the entrepreneurial world, when you know how to share your story in the most effective way that makes sense and that connects to the goal that you have, you are so far ahead of everyone else. And I have a framework that I share, it's called the SET Framework. So let me explain that for your listeners because if you listen to this podcast, I always want to give some value. So when you are off the podcast, you can apply that. When we set, of course, I take a lot of the metaphors from my background, right? Like stepping into the spotlight and a set. Yeah, a set in theater or in the movie is the first impression that we have. When we come to a theater, curtain opens, we see a set, and that tells us exactly where we are, what is the mood, what is the time, who are the characters, is it cold, is it hot? And that gets already an impression and a feeling that creates a feeling. So I use that same metaphor, and each letter stands for something, it's an acronym. So the S stands for story. So the story is the one that connects everything, and with a story, we're not just telling a story to tell a story, the story is supposed to create emotions, right? That's what the E stands for. But let me go back to the story in and of itself. We are wired for stories. This is how we communicated hundreds, thousands of years ago. This is this was the only way before the written word, before anything else. We told stories. We sat around the fire, and then we told a story, and even some of the stories related history, others say, watch out, don't go around that dark corner, there's a wild animal, so don't go there, right? And we still to this day are somewhat wired to listen to stories, and as you mentioned, it was so good. You you were interested, and then it creates that emotion because I set it up, I set the scene. How was it? Where was I, right? And that created a certain emotion. Now, the T that's the last one in that framework, stands for tie. We have to tie it together. Just telling a story and creating emotion and then let it float into the nowhere is not good enough. We have to tie together to either what we want to convey, the maybe the offer that we have, maybe tying it to a teaching point. And when we do that, if you teach something, always have a story because people remember that. When I give my keynotes, they are stories, you bet they are, and people remember that. Now it's not just do ABC and do this and that, and it's abstract. No, there's a story tied to it, and this is the power of storytelling. When you incorporate a story in your talks, in your presentations, and do it the right way that connects to the outcome the audience wants to see. Maybe there is a sale at the end, or maybe there is a you want to get some some leads into your universe. If you do it in a certain particular way, you don't have to sell anything any longer. And that is the beauty of it, and that's what I help people today is how extract this story. Because sometimes people don't people come to me and say, Sabina, oh, I don't have a story. Yes, you do. You have tens of thousands of stories throughout your lifetime. And the good thing is no one can say it or no one can tell it better than you do. And of course, I'm also helping them with the presentation skills because that's another way. You have to to learn that as well, right? So, but anyways, that is why stories are so super important.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Yeah, I was just I I was just thinking that that you've yeah, you've got to, I'm sure you have people coming to you who need advice or they're asking for advice, especially if they think their story doesn't matter. You help them to tell their stories, to understand that they have a story and that it matters. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

And for most people, they think that I don't have to give something, but they are so I mean everyone has something, and even you don't have to be on a stage, you don't even have to be an entrepreneur or a business owner. Your story matters if you have a conversation with your friend.

SPEAKER_00 36:29

I was just gonna I was just thinking that. Like, how do you even like how do you help people to even become more intentional in their everyday lives or in their everyday conversations?

SPEAKER_01 36:42

Oh, it it's it's super important. So I had a conversation with a friend, and she shared with me some of the challenges that she was facing. And boom, right there, I had a story that was related to the challenge that she faced, and I shared it, and she was able to understand why she had this challenge. You see, that is the difference. All of a sudden, oh, and then she feels not alone, you see, and this is what what what I do with my podcast, so people who listen to it can identify with some of them and say, Oh, oh yeah, that makes so much sense. I can apply that too. I'm not the only one who struggles with this, right? And um, yeah, everybody can do it.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

You can have a friend. I have another question to go with that. What about the people? So you you've talked about the people who maybe they don't feel so alone when they hear the story or someone else's story or something like that. But what about the people who feel like they can't relate and they go, that doesn't apply to me?

SPEAKER_01 38:11

So when when they listen to a podcast or just listen to the story?

SPEAKER_00 38:17

When they listen to the story, okay, and the person can't make the connection or relate, or they kind of think, this doesn't have anything to do with me, or I've never experienced that before, or this doesn't apply to me.

SPEAKER_01 38:33

Okay, so here's the good thing about stories. You may not see yourself in that story if the person tells that, but you may have a friend, you may have a spouse, you have your children, and then you see that person in that story, and now you can help that person, right? And and when I share like my stories, okay, sometimes I share other people's stories, right? And you always have to make sure to tie it to something, even if that story doesn't relate to you. To give you an example, and that's also another chapter I share in my book, Gum Chin, and I call it the invisible stage. Now, I discovered what I learned about the invisible stage during my time as an actress, and I'm not gonna tell the story now, but I had to prepare for a role that I wanted to get months and months and months in advance. The audition took about five minutes, right? But that five minutes or the months of unseen practices made those five minutes worthwhile. And I'm sharing the story to demonstrate that we have to work in the unseen moments, we have to master the moments no one sees, to lead the moments everyone remembers. Now, that person cannot relate to it as far as, hey, yeah, I'm not an actor, right? But what they can relate to is the message that I have, right? Master the moments no one sees, and I always bring it, tying it together to the audience. When I shared the story just recently, there were like hundreds of people in the audience, but everyone, first of all, and that's the power of story. When I said, or I entered the stage, everyone saw a different stage because it's in their mind. That's the power of storytelling, and then everyone could relate to it because I said we have to prepare. Now, everyone in life has to prepare for something, right? So that is the power of stories, even if it's not directly related to it. Number one, you can put it into your life, into your business. Number two, you can relate to it because you see it in other people.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

That just gave me chills, and I love what you said about mastering the moments no one ever sees. Because people see the highlight reels all day long on people's social media, but they don't know all the work and the preparation that went into whatever that achievement was, or that that business that is now successful. There's a lot of businesses that get started on late nights and evenings and weekends and hotel Wi-Fi.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

You're so right. And and and that is a powerful point that you made there. We have to prepare. And let me tell you, where I am today, it was years in the making, years and years and years, and even though I was a performer, I was not afraid to speak on stages, I could tell you stories all day long, but I had to learn how to put it into the business world. I had to learn from other coaches, other mentors, other people who already mastered it, to now do what I do. And this is another thing, what you said there. Yeah, those late nights and and figuring things out. And my biggest piece of advice I can give someone today, if you want to either start a business, if you want to learn how to speak, whatever it is, whatever your objective is, get help. And get help from someone who's already doing what you want to do. Be cautious of getting help from your best friend, right, who has never. Spoken on stages, but all of a sudden wants to give you advice how to become a great speaker, right? Just as an example, it goes into many other things. Always find something. And here is another piece of advice. And take it from me because I have done many of those mistakes. And especially me being that strong woman, I can figure it out on my own. And that takes a long time, a lot of headaches and heartaches, and a lot of missed opportunities. And by that I mean I could have made money so much earlier if I would have invested in myself, getting the right coach, right? So think about the cost that you would have when you don't get the help. And I get it. And especially when you start out, you're on a oftentimes, not always, oftentimes you're on a shoestring budget. And yes, if you have that, you have to listen to more free stuff, get some more free stuff. That takes a long time because you have to figure things out and go through all those things, and there's another danger in it because this person says this. Oh, yeah, that's good. Oh, there's another person or another strategy or another something, and then you go for this a little bit. Oh, there's another thing, and that takes so much energy and time. So make sure to find someone. And I don't care if it's me, if it's you, Pauline, or if it's anybody else, just find someone that you can relate to and then check them out. Follow them, see what they are doing, see if that energy aligns with you. And if this is the case, then figure out how they can help you. You will cut so much time that will get you faster to where you want to go and perhaps faster the income, what we call the return of investment.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

I love that. And I have one more question. When someone finishes reading Gumption, what do you hope they carry with them long after they've turned the last page?

SPEAKER_01 46:31

I hope that they always carry the well, they will get each one will get different things out of it. And that's how I wrote this book. It's not to say do this, do that, do that. No. It's I give invitations. And the good thing is that you may get something different out of this chapter than someone else. And whatever you learn from it or you get aha moments, the one thing take action, be bold. And as my tagline says, be open to those sacred whispers, because that is an energy that is something we cannot see, but just be open to it. And that is the to intuition that guided me for all my life. And when you feel something, discernment comes in, yes, but sometimes just gonna go for it. And even if you fail, it's okay, because that just showed you one thing that didn't work, but don't stop, take another path. So, to sum it up, whatever you feel, take action with gumption.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

That's amazing. So, if anybody wants to get in touch with you, how can they do that?

SPEAKER_01 48:07

Just follow me on on social media. My name is right there, Sabine Kavenberg.com. And if you want to have some resources for what I do have a free kit that I want to give away, and that is the accompany guide from Gumpchen. So there is a bold move kit, and you can download it on my resource page. And if anything spoke to you today, and you feel you would love to learn more and perhaps learn how we could work together, you can always schedule a time on my calendar. Just go to talk to Sabine.com.

SPEAKER_00 48:53

I'll share those links in the show notes so that everyone can access your site and find you on social media. Just want to let you know. I'll share those links in the in the show notes. Sabina, thank you so much for sharing your heart and your story with us today. One of the things I appreciate most about you is that you remind us courage is not reserved for extraordinary people. It's something we cultivate, one choice, one conversation, and one step of faith at a time. If today's conversation inspired you, I encourage you to pick up a copy of Sabina's brand new book, Gumption: Sacred Whispers, Bold Moves, and the Courage to Become. Whether you're navigating a life transition, pursuing a dream, or simply looking for the courage to take your next step, I think you'll find encouragement and wisdom within its pages. If you're looking for an engaging keynote speaker or someone to help your organization communicate more effectively, build confidence, and create lasting impact, be sure to connect with Sabina through Impact Communication Coaching. Her presentations and coaching have inspired leaders, entrepreneurs, and organizations around the world. Thank you for joining us for another episode of the Pauline Chilton Show. If you enjoyed today's conversation, please subscribe, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who could use a little more courage in their life. Until next time, take care of yourself and be kind to one another. And remember, you don't have to have all the answers today. Sometimes all it takes is the courage to take the very next step.